Monday, June 11, 2007

Deceitful Definitions of “Human Rights” and Questions Unanswered!

After 53 comments, and 2 days there are still questions un answered in my last blog entry. Rather than answering the questions, the so called "human rights" activists again and again justify their double standards about human rights, by saying "LTTE can violate human rights as much as they wish, because they are a terrorist organization".

The question I put to them was pretty simple. I've given all my facts & explanations. Then I asked, "Do you still believe the eviction of 376 people from Colombo lodges was ethnic cleansing?" (I agree it was human rights violation)

(Note: I use the word "people". For some one it was 376 "Ethnic Tamils". I'm not a racist, so those 376 people are just human to me. Just as those people who were killed [I repeat the word "Killed". Compare the word "Killed" against "Evicted"] by LTTE in Kebelithigollawa.)

But none of the so-called "humanitarians" had the courage to answer that question. Do they know the meaning of the word ethnic cleansing?

Few more questions still un answered

1) Why do these so called "humanitarians" or "peace lovers" don't post anything on their blogs, when LTTE kills hundreds of people?

Their answer was pretty simple. They unanimously said "Because every one knows LTTE is a terrorist organization, and that's their job killing people"

How ignorant response to cover up their obvious double standards, when it come to talk about "people suffering from this war". For them, those 35,000 families were not suffering from the war. Those people died in Kebelithigollewa were not people for them, because they were not "ethnic Tamils". When Muslims in East were massacred by LTTE, they kept silent. But, removing 376 people from temporary loges was the end of the world for every one.

Some people has sacrificed 'virginity of political blogging" to make a big noise. Why weren't you kept silent in this occasion to, as you did in previous other occasions? Double Standards.

And some said, "My parents asked me not to write anything about politics, when Mavil Aru incident happended" :-)

And here's some one else saying "I just do not have as much time to write a post for every thing i get upset about" :-)

What funny excuses!

Funny all of them get enough time to write about removing 376 people (Which may include few terrorists) from Colombo lodges (And use titles such as "Shame!" "Wrong, Wrong, Wrong" "My Apologies"and "Ethnic Cleansing") but none of these so called peace lovers get 5 minutes free to write something about thousands of Sri Lankans suffering from the brutality of LTTE terrorism.

Another funny excuse they came up with:

"Numbers & percentages are not important"

Well, why not? holding 35,000 families as water hostages is more "shameful" and more "Wrong Wrong & Wrong" than sending 376 people back to their villages.

Here we go again. My facts sheet

1) Was it discrimination based on ethnicity and geographic origin? NO

LTTE consist mainly of "Tamils" born in "North & East". all the suicide bombers in Colombo were "Tamils" born in "North or East".
If LTTE represent largely the Tamils, if they are born in North & East, (And if you agree that LTTE is a terrorist organization), and if we all agree that terrorism is bad, (and should be stopped), why should we expect the police to send Sinhalese born in Hambantota or Galle back home from Colombo lodges?

2) SC has given an order against the police’s decision, majority of these people were taken back to Colombo. This alone proves a point that how much secured the Tamil people by the present Sri Lankan system.

3) If it was ethnic cleansing, why only 376? There were 15,000 north & eastern Tamils stayed at lodges that night. Why it wasn’t 400, 500, or 1000? Why wasn’t police deported all 15,000?

4) None of the "peace loving" bloggers made a noise this big, when LTTE closed the Mavil Aru anicut

5) I agree what the Police did was wrong.


OK, Now here are questions unanswered

1) Do you believe it was ethnic cleansing? If so under what grounds you say so?

2) Why none of you bothered to blog about brutality of LTTE, when they carried out more severe human rights violations?

3) How can "all of you" in such a hurry, responded to this rathetr stupid act by the government?

And one more question (Not related to eviction incident, but one question which always bothered me about you "peace lovers")

The Big Question) If you believe in a solution for this war by peace talks, what do you suggest the government to do to bring the LTTE to negotiation table? Do you have any suggestion what the government should do? (Regardless whether government agree or not)

Well, I have stated my opinion about this problem clearly on this blog, so many times. LTTE should be defeated and disarmed using military power. Then, we should reform the constitution of this country, to give more power and recognition to ethnic minorities.

Hmmm.... I don't expect any answers for these questions :-) Because I know none of you have any answers. You just join the bandwagon and keep on parroting the same lines used by Kumar Rupasinghe or Pakyasoththi sarawanamuththu. Because, "Humanitarian movement" and "anti war campaigns" is the coolest things happening in the west, and in US in this decade. Nothing wrong in adopting the latest fashion. I personally love to do fashion (In clothing & hair styling though)

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28 People Had Something to Say about this post. Read them and add your thoughts....

gallebruahhahhablogger said...

bruahhahhahahha! that's my comment.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't ethnic cleansing, just a right royal cock up!
The loony toones that created this idiotic fiasco don't even understand the meaning of the phrase "ethnic cleansing"
Lets not get too dramatic. These guys don't know the difference between their head and their arse on a good day and you are using phrases like ethnic cleansing in relation to them? come on...really!

I feel sad for the people being moved about like pawns on a huge chess board. That is what I feel sad about.

The rest... its cricket as usual mate. We have a three day memory or even less.

Tally ho! on to the next :)

Cheers

Theena said...

I've been very hesitant in using the term "ethnic cleansing", but I will say this: it is the stupidest thing that the government has done during its time in power so far.

Logic tells me that the best way to win this war is to reassure the Tamil population that their security and equality will be ensured in any part of the country. That is the very reason most of these people leave the north and come to Colombo. Because, contrary to popular belief, not all Tamils support the LTTE.

Some are scared to death because they don't want fathers, brothers, husbands recruited by these lunatics.

They come here to get away from the LTTE. That tells me that they have placed their trust in the government and not the so-called rightful representatives of the Tamil people.

And what does the government do? It sends them back and forcefully.

They've played into the hands of the LTTE. And some of you people don't realize this.

shehal said...

find my reply at: http://www.kanabona.com/www/?q=node/716

:P

rehan27 said...

okay, here's my answer to your questions:
1) The action of the police was...not ethnic cleansing. I hate to say it but it appeared to be an extremely aggressive security measure, and unless a similar such incident occurs within the short to mid term future, this will remain 'merely' a ethnically charged act. If further fairly large scale evictions occur then this will be the seen as the beginning of these incidents

2)I've only recently started blogging but that's no excuse...you are right in that sense, more has to be done to highlight this. I live outside the country - and so am more of an armchair pundit than you - and the LTTE brutality is something that seems to happen on such a regular basis that blogging about it continuously seems tedious. However, I will start up a new blog and see how this goes - also, criticising the other side is perhaps too cheap and easy

3) 'All of us' responded in such a hurry because that is the healthy response in a democracy...by immediately condemning the government action, we are trying to draw a line between what we see as acceptable action...if it occurred without incident, then a little step further into despotism would have been taken

Here are a few questions for you:

1) Why are you so aligned with the government on this issue? Surely even our side can make mistakes, and we must ensure that we recognise them when they happen

2) I feel that the only way to resolve this conflict is militarily as well, because the LTTE have become too obsessed with their power over time that there is not a shred of morality and decency within them - they will never give up their grip on the North no matter how generous our offers of peace are:
Why do you harbour this grudge against those who seek peace - even i understand that conflict is not the best solution

shehal said...

VIC
thanks man for quoting me of context... really...

i've nothing personal against you but you've asked for a debate so here goes...

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i bet your parents and friends advised you about talking about issues like this in public... and thats probably why you use an alias... and i understand your fear... you've made a blog post about it sometime back... "Simply put, I feel it’s very unsecured to live in this country."

and to be frank i have fears about talking about it in public like this... well at least i dont have a fake identity... i believe that i'm not a traitor to this country and i'm serving this country in my own way... like promoting the cultural aspects like kottu rotti and string hoppers... and ambul thiyal...

you seem to be having some sorta prejudice that anyone opposing the war or anyone talking about the govt violating human rights is motivated by something other than expression of thought... like ngo money... i'm not in any freaking NGO... our biomass business is a profit making one (sorta)... theres no norwegian money in it...

you need to get that out of your system... because it will only consume you even more... and i see fear in you... fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to suffering...

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"Do you still believe the eviction of 376 people from Colombo lodges was ethnic cleansing?"

negative...

i believe that the govt does not think that tamils are an unwanted ethnic group... in fact they are making protocols to make them more welcome although there extremists within the govt who might think that tamils are an unwanted race... the constitution protects any monority group or race from such acts... so its not ethnic cleansing of any form... reuters and all those other journalists got it wrong... i've been saying this since my first blog post... and thats what led to this whole thing... i disagreed with the ethnic cleansing statement and i tried to establish a psyche... and you know what... most ppl think that way...

ethnic cleansing
noun
the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.

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VIC: "Why do these so called "humanitarians" or "peace lovers" don't post anything on their blogs, when LTTE kills hundreds of people? Their answer was pretty simple. They unanimously said 'Because every one knows LTTE is a terrorist organization, and that's their job killing people'"

you have quoted me under this topic and i'm assuming that you've labeled me as a peace loving lipton circus protester!

yeah i love peace... dont you love peace?
i'm not a war lover...
i dont like war...
other than halo, delta force and ghost recon...
i dont like real life war...
ppl die in a pretty f|_|k3d up manner...
not cool...
war is bad... m'kay...

i oppose the war because it has been nothing but a money machine for politicians and the military... the military has been behaving in a very unprofessional and ruthless manner but lets just ignore that for now... i dont see an end to the war because govt dont want to end it... they dont want to see an end to this war... you hear stories of military secrets being traded off for a couple of million bucks...

if you're such a war lover why dont you join the forces? i'm sure you meet the physical and mental requirements... lemme guess... you feel the pen (in this case the keyboard) is more powerful than a bullet?

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heres another thing... i'm born tamil... and once this friend of mine was asking "why are you defending the govt... why arent you supporting the ltte"... and apparently i'm a race traitor...

so now i'm a traitor to my race because i'm not fighting for the rights of the tamil ppl by supporting the LTTE...

and i'm a traitor according to VIC and all you war lovers because i blogged against the eviction incident and because i dont support the war!

isnt that interesting... all you buggers want to do is fight and kill each other!!!

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VIC: "Why do these so called 'humanitarians' or 'peace lovers' don't post anything on their blogs, when LTTE kills hundreds of people?"

VIC: "Funny all of them get enough time to write about removing 376 people (Which may include few terrorists) from Colombo lodges (And use titles such as "Shame!" "Wrong, Wrong, Wrong" "My Apologies" and "Ethnic Cleansing") but none of these so called peace lovers get 5 minutes free to write something about thousands of Sri Lankans suffering from the brutality of LTTE terrorism."

VIC: "Why none of you bothered to blog about brutality of LTTE, when they carried out more severe human rights violations?"

i have a question... do you post about anything about 'casualties of war' and 'innocent victims' every time an IED explodes and innocent ppl die? i dont see anything about the ratmalana bombing... 8 ppl died and 27 wounded... a voice in colombo should have made a comment about it dont you think? unless you think ratmalana is not colombo... if thats
the case you're excused... i take that accusation back...

well ask yourself that first... why didnt you write about the ratmalana IED? and the LTTE recruiting child soldiers? and ppl getting displaced due to mortar attacks?

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there is a freaking power crisis coming next year thanks the ceb insight... and when there are power cuts next year... and ppl start bitching about that you'll write a post asking how come no one spoke about it before it happened... but thats off topic...

Just Mal said...

I think the solution is obvious. LTTE and Tamils can do anything to us because they are terrorists. Our government can't protect us because protecting human rights of terrorists is more important to them. It's time that the Sinhalese took the matter into their own hands. We will not be bombed in the name of human rights and political correctness. If the police can't get rid off the lodges, we can.

shehal said...

Just Mal:

why dont you join the forces if you feel so strong about the war...

matters into their hands? you mean like the LTTE? who live by terrorizing ppl? or like the pro govt mobs? the last time that happened there were riots and a historical library destroyed...

a govt is elected to keep peace, security, law and order... so join the forces... you could volunteer or something if you're not looking at a full time position...

Voice in Colombo said...

Well, I'll rush through some of the questions raised here, and will come back in the evening if required.


First, for all of you commented thanks for having the courage to accept this is not "ethnic cleansing". People who still believe this was ethnic cleansing, are still with the locked mouths. They might be still feeling "Shame".

Theena, I appreciate your comment as a Tamil living in Colombo. But I still want to believe your comment "They come here to get away from the LTTE" is the utmost thruth about those people. Are all of them come here to get away from LTTE?. Then who brings all the C4 and claymores?

Rehan, now to your qustions.

I accept the fact that you recently started blogging, and no worries about it. (After all, I haven't been in the blogosphere when the Tsunami happened)

Questions by Rehan

1) Why are you so aligned with the government on this issue? Surely even our side can make mistakes, and we must ensure that we recognise them when they happen

I'm not alligned with the govt in this issue at all. Read all my posts on this issue. I've cleary said, it was wrong, and stupid from the part of government. Surely, the government make mistakes. But, do you think all those people who made a big noise about it, did it with the utmost interest of making this givernment a better one? May be you did. But, I know most of these bloggers for a long time now, and what motivates them.

A question in return. Why are these so called peace lovers always align against the government?. I feel better off to align with a democratically elected government, rather than a bunch of terrorists, and repeat their propeganda.

2) Why do you harbour this grudge against those who seek peace

I don't grudge against people who seek "real peace". All I'm against is the people who want peace, by giving a piece of this country to Prabhakaran. That's a quick way to bring peace, isn't it?


Shehal, now to your long reply.....

You are spot on about my fears about blogging in my real name. Because we know what happens to people talk against LTTE. And, for the record, my parents don't know that I am a blogger. And, you talked about my blog post on "Is Sri Lanka a safe Place?". And, that post will be a good proof to say that "I'm not aligned with this government". In that post I've strongly criticized this governments inability to maintain the law and order in this country. Thanks for point to that post. The problems I discussed there are general to all the citizens living in this country. Unlike most of you, I didn't tried to emphasize that only a one ethnic group is insecured in this country. There's a clear problem of maintaining the law and order in this country. Last night, police allegedly attacked 6 civillian houses in Thalangama. What would be the case, if the owners of those houses were Tamils? You will interprete it as "ethnic descrimination"

//you seem to be having some sorta prejudice that anyone opposing the war or anyone talking about the govt violating human rights is motivated by something other than expression of thought\\

Negative. I don't have such a prejudices about "ALL" of them. But there's a group of people who make a living by anti war business. Agee? I agree that there's a set of people who earn a living by arms deals and all the under arm stuff in war.

//you have quoted me under this topic and i'm assuming that you've labeled me as a peace loving lipton circus protester! \\

Sorry, if you felt that way. It's my fault I would have name people when criticizing them :-)

//if you're such a war lover why dont you join the forces?\\

Do a google search for this sentence. You'll get Indi's and Ravana's blog posts in top 20 results :-) A classic question asked by the "peacenik camp". For the record, I don't want to join the forces. I don't want my son to join the forces in the future. My wife's brother is in the forces. I have a uncle who lost a leg at Elephant Pass battle. I have my class mates in Air Force and the the in Army. But I can't do that. Yes I am timid in that regards. It's not so easy to be in the forces as you would imagine. That's why I hate people who degrading the efforts of our forces, and indirectly help prabhakaran by doing so.

//and i'm a traitor according to VIC and all you war lovers because i blogged against the eviction incident and because i dont support the war!\\

Shehal, I real feel sorry about your feeling. In fact you have put on a hat which I made for some other people :-) Apparently, those "peace advocates" are still silent. It's the genuine people like you and Theena, who got the wrong message.

//i have a question... do you post about anything about 'casualties of war' and 'innocent victims' every time an IED explodes and innocent ppl die? i dont see anything about the ratmalana bombing... 8 ppl died and 27 wounded... a voice in colombo should have made a comment about it dont you think?\\

Shehal, I don't really want to answer this question, because any body could easily undertand what I was saying. It's an accepted fact that every one don't have the time and resources to blog about everything which happens around you. But, in my case I haven't "selectively blogged" about the violance of only one party. My accusation was for those who "selectively had time" to blog about only the wronf things done by govt.

Finally, to Theena, Shehal & Rehan. You came forward to answer my questions, because you were genuinely worried about what happened to those 376 people. Those who cried "fake tears" for those people, covered themselves under their NGO bunkers, because their real intentions were exposed largely in this incident.

One general Consensus from all you have commented.

IT WAS NOT ETHNIC CLEANSING as some NGO dollar hunters cried loud.

ravana said...

In answer to your questions, VIC:

1. It was not ethnic cleansing. It was illegal, it violated the constitution and international human rights standards, it was discriminatory, it was morally wrong, it was stupid, it was strategic and diplomatic suicide, but IT WAS NOT ETHNIC CLEANSING.

However, I have less of a problem with people calling it ethnic cleansing than people not getting pissed off about it at all, because it can be argued that such powerful words needed to be used in order for the government to realise that what it did was completely wrong on so many different levels. In this game, you need to shout to be heard.

However, racial profiling happens in many countries and is discriminatory but it is an efficient method since it saves time in identifying guilty parties. Let us recognise that fact, and let us also recognise that although racial profiling is understandably used by the police to help in identifying guilty parties, to take action against innocent people before guilt is established is completely wrong. If at all, the police should have selected the North East Tamils in Colombo in the target age group who were unemployed or not studying in Colombo, and then questioned them thoroughly to establish whether there was reason for further suspicion. If there was reason for further suspicion, then they can be detained after the proper documentation etc is completed at a police station, or after seeking a court order. Whichever way is followed, it must be a legally valid process. The government cannot be seen to be breaking the law so blatantly.

2. Of course I've blogged about the LTTE's killing of people.The LTTE unquestionably engages in many human rights violating activities on a regular basis and they are a terrorist organisation, they recruit child soldiers, they are fascist and ruthless and commit many illegal acts in most of the countries they operate in. Check out my blog. Indi also has blogged about the LTTE. Just because you criticize the government does not mean you don't criticize the LTTE. The world is not black and white. And many of the bloggers who responded strongly to last week's events do see the shades of grey. Many of these you accuse of being peaceniks. On my blog, you may want to check out a post named "Give the Sinhalese a Fucking Break". It's probably right up your street.

3. Why did we react strongly to this? C'mon man. That's the responsibility of any citizen in a democracy. If the government is breaking the law, you need to speak out. The only reason that the government retracted their action and issued an apology was because of the strong reaction from civil society, politicians, religious leaders, NGOs, foreign governments etc. The foreign governments reacted so quickly because the NGOs etc got in touch with them ASAP and told them what was happening. The supreme court decision was also reached so quickly because of the application of an NGO. This is why we need NGOs in this country. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AFTER THE INTEREST OF ITS OWN PEOPLE OR EVEN FOLLOW ITS OWN LAWS.

Any other questions?

ravana said...

By the way, I would appreciate it, if you would stop misrepresenting my views. You said above that if you run "if you're such a war lover why dont you join the forces?" on goolg e you would get hits from Ravana and Indi. Obviously this is incorrect since you were exaggerating, but even what you were implying is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion without having to join the forces. I don't think either Indi or I have ever said anything contrary to this.

ravana said...

By the way, I would appreciate it, if you would stop misrepresenting my views. You said above that if you run "if you're such a war lover why dont you join the forces?" on goolg e you would get hits from Ravana and Indi. Obviously this is incorrect since you were exaggerating, but even what you were implying is wrong. You are entitled to your opinion without having to join the forces. I don't think either Indi or I have ever said anything contrary to this.

Voice in Colombo said...

Ravana,

///It was not ethnic cleansing. It was illegal, it violated the constitution and international human rights standards, it was discriminatory, it was morally wrong, it was stupid, it was strategic and diplomatic suicide\\\\



It was not ethnic cleansing. there we go. One more accepting the truth
It was illegal, Yes, it was. That's why SC intervened. BTW, did I tell you it was legal? On a different note, there are certain occassions where a government may have to work 'illegally" to the beterment of it's citizens, like Premadasa & Ranjan did in 1988. But, this incident was no way compareable to what Premadasa govt did to JVP.

it violated the constitution you have already said that. It was illegal

and international human rights standards, Oh dear friend! There are much more worse incidents of international human rights violation. Take for example last night's incident of some shitheads of Mirihana Police, attacking 6 civillian houses in Thalangama. Human rights violation do happen in this country. In any 3rd World country. But, if you remove the statistics of human rights violation by LTTE, (They goes into SL's account) can you still say, SL is the worst place when it comes to HR?. And, compared to most of the other incidents, that "lodge drama" was nothing at all for you to jump up in the air

it was discriminatory, Not at all. I think I've clearly explained you this with the "Hambantota Sinhalese" example. Read that comment again

it was morally wrong, Agreed. Just as much as a policeman assaulting an innocent 3W driver, for ignoring a red light

it was stupid, Did I said it wasn'r? In fact I said it before you

it was strategic I don't know much about that, cuz I'm not working for some intelligence agency. Either for the govt or for tigers.

and diplomatic suicide Absolutely correct. Haven't i said so in my first post?

///However, I have less of a problem with people calling it ethnic cleansing than people not getting pissed off about it at all\\\

Aha! You get pissed off when other people don't get piss off for the things you get pissed off!!!. The you take it an excuse to exagerrate and manipulate a simple stupid act by the government, to "ETHNIC CLEANSING". More you get pissed off more Prabhakaran will be happy.

Bottom line. WE HAVE ANOTHER SRI LANKAN BLOGGER, WHO AGREE WITH ME THAT IT WAS NOT ETHNIC CLEANSING

ravana said...

I never said it was ethnic cleansing in the first place! Can't you read? Why are you getting so excited that the Sri Lankan government didn't commit ethnic cleansing for?!!! Big deal!

I'm not jumping in the air. I actually pointed this out two days before it happened. Was it an over reaction then? There was fair warning. If more people had spoken out against this before the government actually went ahead and did it, a lot of international embarrassment could have been saved. Instead, you, and others like you in the majority who share your mindset, no doubt chose to make excuses for the government without recognising its possible impact. Now, that the shit has hit the fan, you admit that it is a human rights violation, that it was stupid and that it is morally wrong. That was not your tone on my blog two days before this happened.

You can't see further than your own nose.

I see you haven't commented on my conclusion that this incident proves why we need NGOs to protect our rights when we can't trust the government. You seem very quiet on this point. No objections?! How unsurprising...

Just Mal said...

Shehal, would Michael Moore give up his Manhattan apartment? Would Al Gore use less electricity in his house. I would join the forces if they didn't have squat toilets.

Anyway the point is that the government can't protect Sinhalese because the peaceniks tell them that the human rights of potential terrorists are more important than ours. LTTE and Tamils however could do anything to the Sinhalese because they are not held up to the same standard. So logically, Sinhalese have to form vigilante groups and take arms to protect themselves from Tamils in the South. Obviously because they are not a part of the government the human rights poofters and peacenik scumbags will hold Sinhalese groups up to the same standards as the Tamil groups right? Why do they use this word standard so much anyway.

If JHU buggers want to get together and fumigate Wellawatte, I'm all for it.

How bigoted of US to lecture us when they've been responsible for Guantanamo Bay, secret CIA flights, secret prisons in Europe, Abu Ghraib and all that.

Btw Shehal, are you still working for Joe Lenora?

shehal said...

JustMal
no i'm not
started my own thing
we do biomass projects... gasifiers and boilers mainly...
check my site -> www.kanabona.com

shehal said...

JustMal
hehehe
man
you're funny
so hang on... in your back pack you'd carry your own portable commode?
hahaha
dont forget a silk cloth to wipe your racist arse 'cos your ass might start itching if its not sinhalese soil!

Voice in Colombo said...

//Why are you getting so excited that the Sri Lankan government didn't commit ethnic cleansing for?!\\

Because it's (Ethnic cleansing) a popular taglined concept in LTTE's propeganda mechansim, and you guys are supporting that concept very much for a long time.

I just wanted to expose the faces of people who exaggerated things.

//Now, that the shit has hit the fan, you admit that it is a human rights violation, that it was stupid and that it is morally wrong. That was not your tone on my blog two days before this happened.\\

This is what I said about human rights, in my comment on your blog.

"So, if you say giving high prominance to majority spoken language is “violation of human rights”, say that US and Canadian governments violate the human rights too, by making English the “only” state languages, but not Spanish or French." I still stand by this opinion

In all my comments, the point I wanted to make was "human rights violation is not solely aimed at minorities in SL, as you suggested in your post". Rather than being a pessimist like you, what I wanted to highlight was the extra privileges enjoyed by many minorities in this country, compared to some other countries.

Human rights violation is an issue for all Sri Lankans at large, not only for Tamils. What you guys are worried about is TAMIL RIGHTS. Not human rights It's a common issue in 3rd world countries. Bribery, corruption, human rights violation. It's nothing specific for Tamils in Sri Lanka, as you mentioned. Even in this "Lodge Drama" it's not aimed at Tamils as a ethnicity at all.

What the fuck do you suggesting the security forces to do, if LTTE is consist of all Tamils?

You want few Sinhalese also to take to vauniya, along with those 376, for not to make it a "ethnic discrimination" ?

As long as the security forces kill LTTE cardres, interrogate suspects, carry search operations, the people at the recieving end will be 99.99% Tamils. Because 99.99% of LTTE is Tamils.

It's a terrorist organization based on ethnicity, and they have to be ready to take the consequences of the path they have choosen .

Simple Logic (I know you don't understand logic)

Fact: All LTTE members are Tamil. (But not all Tamils are LTTE)

Therefore: When Security forces take action against LTTE, people in the recieving end will always be Tamils.

Your conclusion: Security Forces assault Tamil. They violate human rights of a set of selected people based on their ethnicity.

Correct Conclusion: Security Forces deal with LTTE terrorists. (What to do? LTTE consist of Tamils!)

Side Effects: Innocent Tamils get affected. IMHO, this has to be expected. How many non JVP youths were killed/Harresed in 1988. Was it "discrimination based on age" against the youth in that era?

Your Solution: Stop all the securuty measures against LTTE. :-)

Who get the benifit of youe solution?


And about your comments on NGO. We all know what CPA, and what they do here.

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items07/090107-8.html

BTW, why Dr. Sarawanamuththu is not going to SC about human rights violation by the police, to common Sri Lankan public? harresments in lock up, etc? Why he's only interested in the rights of ethnic Tamils?

By coming forward to defend the NGO sector, you have cleared some of my doubts about you

Ranil said...

VIC, Give these peacenik a fucking break! Le'them earn some bucks man. They get paid for shouting for tigers

ravana said...

I've dealt with most of these in my previous comments, and you aren't really offering much in the way of new arguments. No doubt, this is why you are now sliding towards the area of personal attack.

Racial profiling is an efficient, but discriminatory, way determining what type of person is most likely to be guilty. It is however not a method of determining the guilt of an individual. The legal process cannot be ignored when it comes to determining guilt of individuals. I really don't want to waste time repeating what I said above. This time, read it slowly and try to understand it.

And sure, human rights violations happen all the time in this country. I personally have seen police beating a suspect mercilessly in a cell at Welikada police station. However, what happened last week was different. The police gave notice that they were going to break human rights. It was publicised in the papers. I blogged about it, and you in my blog without admitting that what the police was going to do was morally wrong, illegal, stupid, and violated human rights, you started attacking me personally for pointing it out. This is why the government does stupid, illegal, immoral things, because they know the majority of this country are constituted by people who either do not care about human rights violations, or who don't understand the implications of it, or who understand but still think they must defend their ethnic majority. And so, after publicing for a week that they were going to break the law, the police still went ahead and did it. It was not some isolated incident. It was planned, it went right to the top, it was organised, it cut across the police, the air force and the navy, and it affected about 300 people directly and thousands more indirectly. The scale was different from anything we have seen recently, and the government apology itself was proof of that.

That's why there was an uproar about last week, and not about the daya to day stuff that happens everyday. Why is that so hard to understand?

And don't get so worked up. It's clouding your thought process.

ravana said...

I just went back and re-read your comment on my post that I made last Monday, June 4th, three days before the police made these human rights violations. I highlighted the reason for these country's problems: the lack of regard for human rights. I quoted two present examples the killing of the Red Cross workers, and the police asking lodgers to move out.

You now admit that this action on the part of the government was illegal, was morally wrong, was stupid, and was an example of human rights violations. Now, you admit this. It had to happen, and you had to see the uproar and the reaction from everybody for you to realise this. Our country needed to be embarrassed and its reputation damaged internationally for you to admit this. You are in the same position as the government and Keheliya Rambukwella, you realise? If you call the government's action stupid, you should call your own comments on my blog stupid as well. It's only fair.

Just to refresh everybody's memory, I'll reproduce your comment below. I'll use your own words against you, "I’m talking about 2007 you moron. Not 1956. Open your eyes, and see the reality. Then speak."

The reality, my friend, happened 3 days later your comments. Glad you've opened your eyes now, VIC.

VIC'S COMMENT ON RAVANA'S POST ON THE NEED FOR MORE RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS>>>>>>

"I have read much worst bullshit on Kottu, but this one is not second to any of those! I suggest everyone to take print outs of this post, and make compost fertilizer out of it.

To agree with you, I too believe making Sinhala “only” was a mistake. But, no one can blame “giving priority” to Sinhala. Cuz, this is the only country where Sinhala is spoken as a language, and majority speak it. So, if you say giving high prominance to majority spoken language is “violation of human rights”, ay that US and Canadian governments violate the human rights too, by making English the “only” state languages, but not Spanish or French.

Be thankful for being a minority in a country like Sri Lanka. You get public holidays on each of your religious festivals, and there are special laws enforced based on ethnicity (Jaffna Tamils, Muslim). Equal opportunity in job interviews, university entrance bla bla bla. I’m talking about 2007 you moron. Not 1956. Open your eyes, and see the reality. Then speak. You guys just can’t keep pace with the capeabilities of the Majority. So you simply blame it on 1956 and 1983.

Talk about the human rights of minorities in Middle east countries, Pakistan, Western Eurpoe and Americas. Do they get all these benifites? But yet, how many of them go and blow themselves up in a public place, like some members of the the so called “depressed minority” in SL does?"

shehal said...

did you see the reuters' interview the gotabaya?

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/COL58218.htm

"It is a good example where the whole world was misled," Rajapaksa said. "Everyone knows the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) is infiltrating ... We can't arrest 300 people and detain them. What is the best option?

So you can tell them, if you don't have any legal business in Colombo ... we don't want to detain you, you go back to your homes. In fact this operation was much better. We could have put all of them in detention."

"We have to defend ourselves. You can't risk the country ...," Rajapaksa said. "I'm talking about terrorists. Anything is fair.

"When the U.S. does operations, they say covert operations. When something is (done) in Sri Lanka, they call it abductions," he added. "This is playing with the words."

Lasantha Wickrematunge said...

Even by Sri Lanka's standards, the forced eviction of 375 Tamils from the capital of Colombo last week seemed a step too far. The June 7 evictions, carried out by police and soldiers in a nighttime raid on areas of Colombo populated by the Tamil ethnic minority, was the latest chapter in the brutal civil war that pits government forces against Tamil-separatist militants in the country's north. "We were herded into buses like cattle and even when we were told we could go back to Colombo, we were warned to finish our work there and go back to our home towns [immediately]," says a 19-year-old who gave his name as Ramalingam, of the raid in which he was swept up. Sixty-two-year-old Nadaraja had traveled to Colombo from Jaffna in the north with his family in the hope that they could get to India for treatment for his sick wife. When "we showed a letter from a doctor, the police told us we will have to go back," he says. "Now, it seems even in Colombo, we are not safe or wanted. Are we not Sri Lankans?"

Rest at http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1631473,00.html

Voice in Colombo said...

//No doubt, this is why you are now sliding towards the area of personal attack. \\

I don't know what made you to think this way. Did I hurt your inner most feelings by any means?

//Racial profiling is an efficient, but discriminatory, way determining what type of person is most likely to be guilty.\\

There we go! It's efficient!!!

You agree that to identify potential terrorists in Colombo, searching Tamil homes, questioning Tamil people, and raiding Tamil lodges is an efficient way. Because LTTE is Tamil. Therefore, it's inefficient to search all Colombo homes, question all Colombo citizens, and deport all people without NID in colombo. (Think about the diesel cost of sending all Sinhalese without a NID back home. Can the police bear such a cost :-) )

So, even though it's discriminatory (If you are Tamil racist. People do have a right to be a racist. I admit) racial profiling is the right thing to do, because it's the most efficient way to deal with terrorist organization based on a one specific ethnicity.

ravana said...

Dude, read and understand. Racial profiling is discriminatory, but is acceptable to determine which people to question more, but not to punish without cause. That breaks so many laws and is unjustified. Get it? I've been saying this from the beginning... dude, you are SO hard to get through to.

Voice in Colombo said...

//but is acceptable to determine which people to question more, but not to punish without cause\\

Now who are punished without a cause? Sending those people back to their home towns was a punishment? The other thing is, you know how Sri Lanka police work, when it comes to "questioning" (And it's worst when it comes to "question" more). They don't care about the race of the person, when they want to "question" some one. Only you guys gives a racial interpretation, when a Tamil got beatnen in a police lock up. Truth is, even Sinhalese and Muslims get beaten by the police during the cause of "questioning" by them.

You are right. I'm hard to get through, for illogical arguments.

This is not an offense. Problem with you (and most of the other guy in the same opinion as you) is the way you look at the world. You think about the world as somethinge made up of "races". So, everything you come across in daily life, you inteprete in a "racial perspective".

These are some examples...

When tigers blow a bomb near Douglas Devandanda's house, you guys ay "A Tamil Politicial was targeted". But when a bomb goes off near Keheliya's house, you guys say "Keheliya Rambukwella was targeted". Why not saying a "Sinhalese politician was targeted" ?

Most thigs you interprete as "burning problems for Tamils" are actually not problems unique to them as a race. Even Sinhalese face the same problems.
How many Sinhalese get embrace at some Colombo offices every day, because they can't speak English? You may say "It's their problem. They should learn the international language". But, when a Tamil guy face a problem, because of he's unable to speak Sinhala, or English, you say it's "racial Discrimination"

Now look inside you, and think who are the real racists!

Anonymous said...

When I tell people I'm opposed to humanitarian intervention, some respond by asking: "Oh, so you're not a humanitarian?" When I tell them I opposed the invasion of Iraq, they say: "Were you in favor of leaving Saddam in power, then, and letting him trample over Iraqis' rights?" In fact, the reason I'm against humanitarian intervention is precisely because I want to see freedom and democracy in the world, and I recognize that humanitarian intervention does not deliver these things. It makes local situations worse. It exacerbates tensions, leaves volatile political vacuums in its wake, further removes power from the hands of ordinary people, encourages nihilism, and kills and injures thousands of men, women, and children.Why am I against humanitarian intervention you may ask? Because I am a true humanitarian. Why do I oppose humanitarian intervention in sri lanka? Because I believe in real freedom for all people in Sri Lanka in every way.

Anonymous said...

humanitarianism: It promises liberty to people in the Third World but in truth it disarms them, turning them into pathetic victims who must wait for brave warriors from the West to come and rescue them. For all its grand talk of freedom and liberty, it further disempowers people from being able truly to liberate themselves.

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